Abolitionists vs. Social Darwinism

An apologist argument: "Again, to be fair, there were only a dozen Tasmanians left in the year that Darwin's Origin was published, 1859, look at what Europeans did to them before "Darwinism".

Rational Wiki on Francis Galton: "...However, his hereditarian views seemed to have taken shape prior to this point, especially during his voyages to south-west Africa in the early 1850s..."

Not sure what your point is about "look at what they did to Tasmania before Galton/Darwin..."
That's either an argument fallacy...
OR, you didn't understand what I've posted...
OR, I didn't convey myself well enough.

So I begin again.
Slavery was outlawed in Britain in 1833. Nobody denies slavery existed, and still exists throughout the world today.

"...By 1783, an anti-slavery movement to abolish the slave trade throughout the Empire had begun among the British public. In 1808, Parliament passed the Slave Trade Act of 1807, which outlawed the slave trade, but not slavery itself."
(Source)

Are we on the same page?

We are up to 1833 Britain.

OK. Here's the video.
Scientific Racism The Eugenics of Social Darwinism

(1:50-4:54 mark) "The 19th Century was to end with the worst crimes of empire but it began with a great moment of optimism. In the 1830's the great plantations of the Carribean Britain became the first nation to end slavery. 3/4 of a million slaves across Carribean were about to be freed. It was presumed the grateful slaves would transform themselves into hard-working Christian peasantry. The campaign to end slavery had been fought by Christian abolitionists. In the 1830's it was their views that dominated the national debate on race." The Christian Abolitionists want to "educate" and bring up the standard of culture for the people of Africa, and here is one basis for a reason to expand the British Empire.
"In the empire the missionaries and abolitionists set out to create, indigenous people would see their culture destroyed and their religions eradicated, and YET THIS SEEMS ALMOST BENIGN when compared with the grim reality of what imperialism became, because during the 19th Century, their dream was gradually overwhelmed by another vision. One that claimed that the black races could not be civilized and should instead be exterminated."

(5:45) "The event that BEGAN THE COLLAPSE of the missionaries vision, took place in a little known outpost. Tasmania, on the Southern Coast of Australia. When the British began settling in 1803, they encountered aboriginal people, only 5000 strong, and lived in complete isolation for 10,000 years... the British found them "uniquely savage and primitive" and therefore can treat them as animals." The British steal their land, and abuse the aboriginals. BY THE 1820's... huge amounts of land has been taken up. It is against the law to kill the aboriginal people, but in journals write their desire to kill them.Fighting breaks out between colonists/aboriginals. War breaks out and many of the aboriginals are killed by settlers.
(9:45) by the end of 1820's they were near completely annihilated.
(11:42) A new policy enacted to capture the remaining aboriginal people (12:09) after years of guerilla warfare the last few 100 of the original aboriginals, a missionary named Robinson is acquired to come to agreement with the aboriginals. The aboriginals (300) were transported to Flinders island to protect them.... but instead, wants to transform them into peasant Christians. They begin dying from European disease.
(17:12) By the 1840's... about 240 of the original 300 brought to Flinders island by Robinson, were dead.

(18:07) "What happened in Tasmania was far from being a unique event. (Narrator gives a list of people's nearly wiped out and one that was wiped out).

(18:52) "Everywhere it seemed white settlers were destroying indigenous people."
(19:05) "And in these very same years the old racism that had been born in the age of slavery began to re-emerge. In the aftermath of Abolition... former slave owners begin to grumble against the people who once made them rich."
(20:07) In the 1830's, it was unpopular to speak of native people as anything less than in the humanitarian sense, "but by the mid-1840's that's beginning to shift."
(20:37) Some complained abolition had failed and that the "Christian vision of civilized empire was also doomed." The moral momentum ran out of the abolitionist movement. People found that other races were not becoming civilized... optimism for "christianization of people of color, began to drain away."
(21:22) Since the natives were rejecting the message of the Christian missionaries, some in Europe begin asking if they can be civilized at all.
In 1849, Thomas Carlisle publishes "Occasional Discourse on the Negro Question" to which he appeals to return to some form of slavery, printed worldwide and helped transform the debate about race.
(23:08) "In 1865, natives of Jamaica attacked a courthouse during a miner demonstration. In return the governor declares martial law and orders his soldiers to go on a killing spree. Nearly 500 people were executed.
(24:10) News of it reaches Britain, and the old abolitionists are roused to intervene and demand the governor put on trial.
(24:43) But in court he is acquitted of mass murder charges due to a strong wave of support. The aristocracy was backing him.
(25:09) his defense was "orchestrated by the new high priest of the new racism Thomas Carlisle." But behind him stood many members of the British literary elite, including Vanity Fair writer, Reverend Charles Kingsley, Charles Dickens.
(25:46) "The notion of treating other people with some degree of Justice and rule of law finally went out the window and was demolished in the 1860's. From then on, we knew the Empire was about ruling people with the maximum amount of coercion.
(26:05) Some of the new ideas about race, In the high Victorian age.. based on the study of anatomy, laid the foundation for a new, scientific racism.

And THAT is where I will let you pick up on the video. At 26:36

( https://youtu.be/3FmEjDaWqA4?t=26m36s )

So when does Francis Galton enter the picture exactly?

"...Galton was inspired by Darwin's On the Origin of Species to apply natural selection to humans and then extend that argument to support the use of artificial selection, or "eugenics," on the human population. However, his hereditarian views seemed to have taken shape prior to this point, especially during his voyages to south-west Africa in the early 1850s. Galton conducted ethnographic research there and began to develop some of his early psychological theories. This experience seems to have provided much of the basis of his works espousing scientific racism, which was fairly extreme even by the standards of Victorian England.[1] His first book-length work on heredity, Hereditary Genius, was published in 1869.[2] The book included hundreds of subjects' scores on mathematical and civil service tests as well as the lineages of the subjects. Galton argued that "genius" was primarily inherited by noting the normal distribution of the scores and the closeness of "great" men on their family trees. He coined the term "eugenics" in 1883..."
(Source, Rational Wiki)

Either way, during slave times, Christian slavers viewed their slaves as mere "animals without souls" --mere "property" like a tractor or a plow horse. Without soul -- not human? That argument had even erupted earlier on among the Church fathers whom made strong allusions to their doubts as to whether or not women had fully qualified souls or have you forgotten? (20 Vile Quotes Against Women By Religious Leaders From St. Augustine to...)

Now, wasn't that the Anti-Darwin argument, that man is created in God's image therefore it defies all teachings within the Bible and Gospel? Saint Augustine would digress, and be forced to agree with Charles Darwin:
"...Woman was merely man's helpmate, a function which pertains to her alone. She is not the image of God but as far as man is concerned, he is by himself the image of God."
–Saint Augustine, Bishop of Hippo Regius (354-430), 20 Vile Quotes

Tertullian rates woman lower than the apes --all the way back to the primordial puddle, the "temple built over a sewer."

Woman was some kind of "creature" --wicked, the gateway to hell.
Woman declared, "lesser" in body, mind and spirit, -- but those of other races or religion, how much more less?
Did you really believe when the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution that they intended to include women among "All men are created equal" -- of course not. Or, that the founding fathers were intending to imply, that "All men are created equal" should include Native American inhabitants... or the black slave?

The non-Anglo-Saxon were not counted among "human" or a "man" --not by religious or political standards. Perhaps the most staunch abolitionist would have been so generous as to count them as their "brother" -- but only in terms of being a "lesser" brother, but never equal.

The views that Darwin developed how that "man" came from animals, or that --> man IS animal <-- ... was the prevalent view among British colonists and Europeans alike. That view of "man as a beast" was at least a millennia in the making, if not more so.

Definitely.. woman. She was not considered human for most of human history -- a mere slave, disposable at birth, or piece of property.

Not fair, I wholeheartedly agree, but that's how it was back then. I think "revisionism" has went a very long way with anti-Darwinism in the past century, where memory & conscience has been wiped clean. Christians no longer remember how they viewed the slaves in the cotton fields as merely "livestock"... or that a wife in America (1922) if she "marries a foreigner, if she wants to retain her property for herself, she has to have it transferred to trustees before marriage to hold for her. She, herself, only has the income at the pleasure of her trustees..." (only one of the many historical laws which acted to discriminate against women, a long list, compiled over several pages.)

Read this frightful list of accounts, about how "Woman has no Soul." A book dated 1922, and uncertain about all the examples being verifiable. The stories of horrors perpetrated against women through history, due to being viewed as mere "animal," some are religious customs, other cultural prejudices, are all, nonetheless shocking.

Sex and Sex Worship: (phallic Worship)
Otto Augustus Wall
Mosby, 1922 - Phallicism - 608 pages

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